so, first of all, your overall assessment of secretary sebelius, is she incompetent? is she, you know, a person with no clue? what? >> i think that what we saw was a very defensive secretary sebelius and, you know, bill, there is an old thing that you manage asset and you lead people. i think she lacks and the president lacks that key component of the ability to lead people. she didn't even know who was specifically in charge of spending all this money and hundreds of millions of dollars of taxpayer money. >> okay. >> so she wasn't a micromanager on the rollout of obama care -- >> -- not at all. >> which was her big thing. that's what the secretary is in charge of doing. she came across today, in my opinion, as not daughterring, she was kind of defiant and authority former governor of kansas. but i'm trying to find the theme here. at one point, one the questions was, well, isn't president obama responsible? you know, you are his agent, but isn't he ultimately responsible? and she said yes. i thought that was a fairly gutsy answer. >> well, indeed it was. and then what